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[dale owen]

Hi Mark and Trisha,

Hoping to find a solution to a problem that maybe you or the folks on the forum have run into.
Camera: HMC 150. NLE: Edius DVD Program: U-Lead
We have had a few projects with no problems whatsoever, then out of nowhere on both computers we are getting jumpy, hesitating footage. Much like you would see if the OIS were left on but more severe and more frequent. We really notice it when there is a photo taken with the flash. This really causes it to jump, however this is not the only time it does that quick hesitation thing. (audio has no hesitation, it is only the image)
Footage plays fine in camera playback. Also, on the timeline in Edius. Also, when rendered to an MPEG file in Edius it plays fine. (Edius is a great program)
When we get ready to burn it with either Pinnacle 12's DVD Burner or U-Lead's DVD Burner we get the problem in exactly the same places from both programs. We use U-Lead all of the time but tried Pinnacle to see if there was any difference. We do not see it jumping in the U-Lead timeline as we are building the DVD but we see it on the computer in the final image after rendering the project and also after it is burned onto a DVD.
We asked Edius and U-Lead if they had any suggestions but with no luck. We don't know if it's a camera setting that we are not aware of or a setting in Edius that we are not aware of that may be sending information to the final burn. The puzzeling thing is that it is a problem that just started happening, on both computers. One computer has never been on the internet. We are trying different settings within U-Lead to try and figure it out. I have searched on the DVX user forum and on the Edius forums with no luck as of yet.
What size gun do you need to shoot a Desk Top? I know Mark is a pretty good shot when it comes to laptops.
Any ideas, anyone? The next step might have to be a new third computer dedicated only to burning DVD's. (one that starts out fresh with only one purpose in mind) But then what if we end up with the same problem. ??????? $$$$$$$
Thank you for all your help.
Dale
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Dale Owen
www.allstarproductionsinc.com

[Trisha Von Lanken]

Hi Dale

Where are you encoding the clip for DVD? in Edius or in the Pinnacle.

What bit rates are you using?

Sounds like the problem comes when you compress it for DVD.
Are you using an mpeg2 format?
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[dale owen]

I am actually using Ulead 5 that came with Edius. I am exporting from the Edius timeline to mpeg2 and bringing that into Ulead. 7000 bitrate is what I am burning, I have tried constant and variable. I might purchase Adobe Encore soon, but in the meantime any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much...
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Dale Owen
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[Trisha Von Lanken]

Sorry, I am not always quick to reapond on the forum, also forgot to click notify me of a reply post.

Ulead isn't your problem, it is Edius doing the encode, Encore will give you nicer DVD meuns and such but it won't solve the issue you are having.
It is in the encoding process,

Are you on Edius 5 or 4 something?
Edius 5 is lacking on the encoding in my opinion.
It only does one pass encoding with is lacking imo.
Edius 4 came with procoder express which did 2 pass encodes. (much better)

We also own the full version of Procoder, which I love. Best encoding software offers a huge range of possibilities.

I have used and don't care for Adobe's encoding in Encore as well. It will do the green flashes, too.
I think procoder is better, after comparing the encodes in Encore to procodere numerous times, procoder is the winner.

Bit rates I use for Procoder or Procoder Express are this for SD:
2 pass Variable Bit Rate
Max Bit rate 8000
Average Bit Rate 7000
Minimum Bit Rate 4000

If you are on Edius 5, but owned Edius 4, you can reinstall procoder express and use it with version 5. Check the canopus forums on that info.

I have used ULead to burn but never to encode.
Let me know if we can help you any further.
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[dale owen]

Hi Trisha, its okay about the responses, I know you are very busy and I appreciate any help you can give us...

I am using Edius 5
I believe Edius 5 does have a 2 pass encoding, I haven't tried it
because it has alot of boxes to check. (don't understand them all completely yet) but it appears as if it does 2 pass encode. I will check it again to be sure.
I don't mind purchasing procoder , but how do you get the
project out of Edius timeline into procoder, do you export to mp2, mp4, avi, etc.

I am assuming there is way to bypass the Edius encoding and export the project directly into procoder from Edius's Timeline??? We are still in that 'so close, yet so far away stage'

Appreciate all the help. Will look forward to your response. When Dale and I receive our first Video Award the credits will read, 'Mark and Trisha Von Lanken, need we say more' And the crowd will burst forth with applause knowing exactly what that means.

Thanks alot Trisha,

Kim Owen
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Dale Owen
www.allstarproductionsinc.com

[dale owen]

Hi Trisha,

An update on what we have tried. Again, we know you are getting ready for the in-focus presentation and know you two will do and amazing job there. So appreciate the help as your schedule allows.

We took the rendered segments and burned them in Nero. (from edius 5 timeline rendered to MPEG 2, pulled into Nero) With Nero we are not getting the DVD jumping on the photo flashes, but the quality in Nero is lacking. Very stroby, (is that a real word) almost as if frames are missing or as if the footage was 'trailing' but no light smears. We are not looking at Nero for our DVD authoring but this makes us wonder if it still might be Ulead. Again, we are still trying different settings but it seems as though the straight MPEG 2 setting within Edius should be all we need, unless we need to go into the advanced settings in Edius.
We have our camera set for, 'no shutter' Could this be a potential cause of our problem? Again, no jumping on playback from the cards in the camera and no jumping on the timeline in Edius and no jumping from the MPEG when we play it on the computer. Only when we pull it into Ulead or Pinnacle.
I googled 'flash photo causing DVD footage to jump' but with no results.
????? The gentleman at Ulead told us that 'flash photos involve a lot of digital information for a DVD program to decipher' so it may just be that Ulead can't handle it, and sadly he didn't have any remedy for us.
Just wondering if anyone else has run into this problem.
We are looking into procorder and encore as the final solution if needed, but wanted to see first if it is something we are doing wrong up to that point or if it is just the Ulead program lacking what it needs, or Edius 5 lacking what it needs. I'm still thinking Ulead but who knows.
I gotta go take a nap. All this typing wore me out. I'll set my alarm and wait for an answer. Signed, Clip Van Krinkle (jumpy footage) Dale
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Dale Owen
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[dale owen]

Wow, we got Procoder 3 and you were right, Trisha. It took out all of the problems with the flash causing the image to jump. It also appears as if the footage is even cleaner on screen.
I was just puzzled 'cause it would only jump after shooting it into Ulead. Now Ulead even plays smoothly. We did order Encore. Still striving toward the goal of giving our Brides the best we can offer. Thank you for your support.

Signed: The Turtle facing a hurtle. (I'll eventually get over it...just need someone taller than me to come along every once in a while)
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Dale Owen
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[Trisha Von Lanken]

Hi Dale,

I'm glad Procoder is working well for you. It's a great program.
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